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The Transalp regulator/rectifier isn't really a known weak point.  [http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10381603&postcount=3964 Jim Davis used a MOSFET-type unit from a CBR600] (labeled FH008-EB) on his Africa Twin.  [http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15786568&postcount=9349 'dreamer' references this] and mentions that CBR600RR regulator/rectifier units from 2007 - 2010, labeled FH008, are suitable.
The Transalp regulator/rectifier isn't really a known weak point.  [http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10381603&postcount=3964 Jim Davis used a MOSFET-type unit from a CBR600] (labeled FH008-EB) on his Africa Twin.  [http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15786568&postcount=9349 'dreamer' references this] and mentions that CBR600RR regulator/rectifier units from 2007 - 2010, labeled FH008, are suitable.
[http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15787063&postcount=9352 'ravelv' indicates that these are still shunt-type regulators].


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Revision as of 09:05, 25 July 2011

This page applies most directly to the 1989-1990 US-spec Honda Transalp. See http://www.ta-deti.de/ta/ for thorough technical information on all Transalp models.

Consumables

Spark Plugs

NGK

These part numbers come from the NGK parts finder for the 1989-1990 XL600V:

Oil Filters

The Purolator PureOne PL14610 filter fits the Transalp (and every other Honda I've tried). It's designated for the Mazda MX6. The PL14612 also fits, and is longer, which should give better filtration. It may be difficult to get an oil filter wrench between the longer PL14612 and the swingarm.

Chain

The stock chain is size 525, with 118 links.

Sprockets

  • Front: 15 tooth, Honda part number 23801-MM9-010, listed on "Transmission" page of microfiche.
  • Rear: 47 tooth

NT650 Hawk 16 Tooth Sprocket

  • Honda part number 23801-MN8-000. This drops engine speed by about 400 RPM at 60mph.

Modifications

Africa Twin Conversion

For information on putting Africa Twin parts onto a US-spec Transalp, go to: Honda Transalp and Africa Twin.

Engine

Hawk NT650 Engine Swap

  • This post shows the difference in front exhaust port angles between the Transalp and Hawk engines.

Suspension

Rear Suspension

Works Performance

The Works Performance Catalog provides detailed specifications on the stock Transalp rear shock (source):

Make/Model Years NO. OAL STK SPRING Duracross Ultracross Adj. Damping
STD REZ REB
XL 600V 1989 Un 14.69 Y SRS 569 619 749

Legend:

  • NO.: Pr for pair, Un for Unit (i.e. single shock)
  • OAL: Over-all length (unstressed, bolt-center to bolt-center)
  • STK: Stock size (Y=Yes, S=Short, L=Long, WS=Works Stock)
  • SPRINGS: Single Rate (SRS), Dual Rate (DRS), Triple Rate (TRS)
  • STD: Standard shocks without reservoir
  • REZ: Hose mounted remote reservoir
  • ADJ Ultracross: Rebound adjustable with reservoir.

So, the shock is sold as a single unit, it's 14.69 inches long, which is stock length, it's a single-rate spring, and it's available as standard, with a reservoir, or with both adjustable rebound damping and a remote reservoir.

Lengthening Stock Suspension

  • This post describes the "Moab" shock that Cogent Dynamics builds. This shock gives 2" additional height and travel to the rear of a Transalp.

Africa Twin Suspension

An Africa Twin swingarm and rear shock can be used to gain height and travel. See the Honda Transalp and Africa Twin page for more information.

Front Suspension

Racetech Gold Valve Emulators

Race Tech Gold Valve Emulators for the NT650V Hawk (Race Tech part number FEGV S4101)can be used in the Transalp, since the forks are the same diameter (41mm).

NX650 Forks

NX650 forks are identical to Transalp forks, but have longer upper tubes.

XR600 and XR650L Forks

  • This post details one person's experience putting XR650L forks onto a Transalp. He used SRC Mudskins for fork protection, the SRC fork brace, and modified the Transalp fender to fit.
  • This post provides a bracket template for the fuse box holder on XR600 and XR650 forks.
Spring Rates

Putting XR600, XR400, or XR650L forks on a bike as heavy as the Transalp will require stiffer fork springs.

  • This post mentions 0.52 kg Eibach springs for a 170 pound rider and 400 pound bike.
  • The preceeding post mentions 0.47kg springs.
  • This post says 0.52kg springs for a 260 pound rider with good results.
  • This post mentions that stock XR600 (?) springs may be only 0.38kg.
  • This post says the first two years of XR400s had 0.38kg springs, after which they switched to 0.40kg.
  • This post says a tuner calculated 0.54kg/mm to be optimal for road use.
  • XR's Only has Eibach 0.43kg/mm, 0.45kg/mm, and 0.47kg/mm springs for $99. They are listed for XR400R, XR600R, and XR650L.

Brakes

Stock

The US-spec 1989 through 1992 Honda Transalps use a rigid rotor which is 276mm in diameter. The brake caliper is a floating, twin-piston unit (each piston is 30mm in diameter).

Upgrades

Kits

M.A.P. Engineering

M.A.P. Engineering lists a 320mm rotor and adapter kit on their website. Last time I talked to them, it had been discontinued, but perhaps it's back.

Lenac
  • This thread (transalp.org) discusses the Lenac Big Brake Kit.

DIY

Rotors for Transalps

No upgraded rotors appear to be available for US Transalps. Rotors intended for some other bikes may work, however. In Europe, various brake upgrade kits have been sold.

NT650 Hawk

The Honda NT650 Hawk uses the same bolt pattern as the Transalp, but with a 316mm diameter (this page has excellent Hawk information). A Hawk rotor with a caliper-relocation bracket is probably the most common braking upgrade performed on Transalps.

Several companies produce stock-size Hawk rotors:

  • EBC MD1021LS
    • 316mm diameter.
    • Listed in the EBC catalog as an 'S/F' type, meaning floating conversion for solid rotors.
    • Also fits 1991-2003 CB750 Nighthawk, 1994-2003 VF750C Magna, 1991-2002 ST1100, 1995 ST1100A.


Since the 316mm Hawk disc is larger than the Transalp's 276mm disc, a new brake caliper bracket or a spacer is required. A spacer could be custom-machined. The brake caliper bracket from the "Lenac" big rotor kit could presumably be purchased as well, though it's likely you would save money buy buying the entire kit.

Oversize Hawk rotors are also available:

  • Braking HO26FLD ('wave' or 'petal' style rotor)
    • 318mm diameter
    • There is no available brake caliper spacer to accommodate a 318mm brake rotor on a Transalp.


Brakes for XR650L Fork Legs

XR650L Front Wheel

The XR650L front wheel uses a different bolt pattern (four bolt instead of five), so aftermarket rotors for it cannot be used on the Transalp. However, there are several Supermoto kits available for the XR650L.

Another XR Front Wheel

Theoretically, any XR wheel can be put together with the XR650L front forks.

Transalp Front Wheel

Braking offers several types of caliper relocation brackets for the XR series. Note that these will not work with the Transalp front brake caliper. An XR-compatible caliper will have to be used.

According to this post, all the XR models share the same caliper bracket mount dimensions:

The XR400, XR600R, XR650L and XR650R all share the same caliper. You can use a front wheel from a later model XR on an XR650L if you use the correct caliper bracket for that sized disk. All of the fork legs have the same caliper bracket mounting dimensions and all of the bikes use the same sized caliper. They just use slightly different brackets for the different sized disks, which are easily swapped.

Note that this is not strictly true. By comparing Honda part numbers, it appears that the XR650L caliper and bracket are unique to the XR650L (1993 - 2008):

  • Bracket with shim: BRACKET, L. FR. 45110-KAS-902 $76.41
  • Entire caliper: CALIPER SUB-ASSY. 45150-MY6-305 $183.35

Meanwhile, the XR650R shares the caliper with the CR250R, CR125R, CRF230F, CRF150F, and CR230F and the bracket with the CR250R, CR125R, CRF450R, CRF150F, and CRF230F (note: the caliper may be different on the CR450R).

  • Bracket with shim: BRACKET SUB-ASSY. 45190-KZ4-J21 $44.52
  • Entire caliper: CALIPER SUB-ASSY. 45150-KZ4-J21 $123.16

The brake pads are identical across all of these, and more, models.

The CR250 brake caliper I have is twin piston, with 27mm pistons. The stock Transalp brake has 30mm pistons. The "Supermoto" brake caliper offered by Braking is 36mm.

The list of Braking's XR650R parts is here. The Braking POW21 is for 320mm rotors with the OEM brake caliper.

Caliper Spacer/Adapter

With the larger diameter disc, a new spacer must be used to move the Transalp's brake caliper outward.

This thread (advrider.com) mentions a guy making a spacer so you can use a stock Hawk rotor (316mm) on the TA (276mm stock).

Anyway- potential very good news- I asked the guy who built a brake 
kit for Honda Hawks (a 6 piston caliper and GSXr rotor- works great- 
I have one on my Hawk) to look at a potential TA solution. He designed 
and built a bracket that relocates the stock TA caliper so that you 
can use a stock Hawk rotor which is larger (and I think a little 
thicker) than the stock TA rotor. Combined with steel braided lines 
and HH pads (which he thinks might not even be necessary) this should 
provide a relatively inexpensive upgrade to the TA.

I should be doing this in the next month or so and will let you all 
know how it works. Keep fingers crossed

This thread (advrider.com) mentions the Hawk rotor again.

Stainless brake line is a good investment. Speigler, and Galfer both offer
one. Maybe others. The trick brake upgrade is get a used rotor from 88-91
NT650 Hawk. Same bolt pattern but 40mm bigger diameter. Then you have to
machine an adapter to offset the caliper. I'm working on this now.

Also:

Steve (Fast By Big Boy) Lenac (bigboy11@sigmaweb.net) has (or will
shortly have) the full kits for this. I have one on mine (shown in 
the "show me" thread) and it makes a difference.

Sources and Prices

EBC MD1021LS
$168.95 MAW
$174 Ron Ayers
$179 AZ Motorsports
Braking (wave) HO26FLD (that's ho, not h-zero)
$186.95 ($200.36 w/S/H) Streetbike Accessory Warehouse
$203.88 Motorcycleproshop
$212 Cyclepages
$214.95 AZ Motorsports
Galfer (stainless) DF022 (022)
$185.35 AZ Motorsports

Exhaust

GSXR-1000

According to this thread (advrider.com), 2001 - 2004 GSXR1000 mufflers are a relatively easy add-on.

Not quite a direct bolt-on but close. I got two 15° bend stainless steel tubes from Burns Stainless and rotated them until I got the right angle. Then I made the flange to bolt on the muffler. I attached the muffler and then tacked the flange and the two sections in place. I'm not a welder so you won't see a close-up shot. I originally had a GSXR1000 muffler on because it was titanium. But when I put the bags and mounts on, the muffler was too big and in the way. So I swapped it out for a 750 or 600 unit, shorter but not titanium. Fortunately, it weighs the same due to the shorter length.

Electrical

Battery

Sealed Batteries

YTX14AH-BS

According to this thread, the stock lead-acid battery, YB12A-B, can be replaced with a sealed lead-acid battery, YTX14AH-BS. The only modification necessary is to remove the battery insulator sleeve.

Deka

This post details the Deka ETX15, which fits in the stock Transalp battery cage without the battery sleeve, and has redundant lugs which could be helpful with auxiliary wiring.

NT650

This post details how a sealed battery specified for a Hawk NT650V can be used on the Transalp, but it requires a 1/8" shim underneath and possible cutting of the battery sleeve.

Regulator/Rectifier

The Transalp regulator/rectifier isn't really a known weak point. Jim Davis used a MOSFET-type unit from a CBR600 (labeled FH008-EB) on his Africa Twin. 'dreamer' references this and mentions that CBR600RR regulator/rectifier units from 2007 - 2010, labeled FH008, are suitable.

'ravelv' indicates that these are still shunt-type regulators.

Repair

Fuel

Petcock Diaphragm

The petcock diaphragm develops a leak and cuts off fuel to the engine. This is a common problem. K&L sells a diaphragm repair kit. It's available here and other places as well (presumably the K&L part number is 18-2701).

Also note that the vacuum line running from the cylinder head to the petcock diaphragm (vacuum side) can develop a leak, leading to backfiring.

Paint and Bodywork

Frame

Duplicolor DE1615 is a very good match for the Transalp's silver frame color.

Accessories

Luggage

Racks

  • Happy Trails makes aluminum panniers and steel luggage racks. Their mounting kits are also usable with GIVI and Pelican cases.
  • GIVI offers topcase adapters which replace the plate on the Transalp's rear carrier. They also produce crashbars.

Cases

Crashbars

  • The TN363 crash bars are available from AZ Motorsports and Happy Trail. Mounting these to a US-spec Transalp requires longer bolts across the front and minor trimming of the bike's plastic radiator guard.

Misc

Resources